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I've recently got hold of a V&H pipe for my ST, along with modded brake lever arm. As you can see the fitment is snug and brake movement limited so was after any ideas to overcome it. Below are 4 pics which should help you see whats going on...any ideas much appreciated!

essentially i need more distance between the footrest and exhaust. exhaust isnt going to move far even with a bracket made up so i need a way of locating the footrest higher up. ive found other zeds, mostly drag bikes with this pipe and the distance is often the same, the pipe runs along the bike identical to this...can it be sorted or will i have to make do?

As you're trying to fit a Drag pipe (sidewinder ) to the bike, it defo ain't std, so just ACCESSORIZE, & fit some nice rearsets

Hi Adam, had about four hours of this exact problem today with FlabbyZ1R's sidewinder.

To be fair he has very modified Tarozzi rear sets on.

Kick start hits; brake arm; sidewinder and brake pedal (the bit on the end at full swing)
Brake arm hits sidewinder.

In his case he has had the brake arm cut off (broke off actually) and welded back on in a straight line going foward so it runs inside the line of the exhaust.

His kickstart lever has been re-made with a double 'S' bend in it. It looks very very odd. It will have to be re-done as it wasnt strong enough and bent then hit the brake pedal again!!

What would you get if you turned the footrest hangar upside down and inverted the rubber? Is that possible?
Looks like it would put it just above and in front of the brake arm pivot point if possible at all!!!!

Straighten the arm so it runs inside the silencer and rotate it anti-clockwise on its spline to lift it up a tad.
The 'J' arm looks to be a little shorter whilst similar in other respects. The foot 'pad' is approx level with the two screws (one above the other) at the rear of the clutch casing. I can measure it if it helps.

Say goodbye to the kickstart lever.

Buy some size 17 Ronald McDonald shoes to use the brake with


Cant think of anything else from what i saw today its going to be tough using standard bits.

AL

Adam

My wife still reckons a dent in the pipe will do the trick.

When I had it I lengthened the operating rod from the brake cylinder which helped. Otherwise as we discussed earlier, rear sets. Resetting the brake lever might help.

Cheers

Mick

Hi Al,

I figured the kicker would be redundant now. I messed about with the footrest hangers, swapped them over (right-left/etc) but i'd have to figure out how to make them fold/unfold properly as they'd be upside down. The rear footrests actually looked a possibility but they'd have to have spacers made up as they're smaller so they stick out enough.

i'll keep trying and hopefully work out the best way forward. i read elsewhere that the footrests can be swapped over as an alternative to rear sets.

cheers mick i'll try bleeding the brake too to get a shorter action. rearset wise i think raask do ST ones cant find any by anyone else yet.

Adam

Its also worthe looking at the topic with all the pictures on. Quite a few of the bikes have V and H pipes and its intereasting how they got around the problem

Mick

Hello Adam,

Using the V & H sidewinder drag pipe on the road creates quite a few problems as Al said. My bike was previously kickstart only, as the starter motor and all related parts were removed for weight saving. I had a normal road V & H and that was fine, i then bought the sidewinder and soon realised that kickstarting was going to be a big problem. Also i knew that the standard footrest and brake lever would need replacing, so i got some Tarrozzi rearsets (i can`t see another way around that one).
When it came to kickstaring the bike i took the silencer off as it fouled, then on the first kick it snapped the rearset brake lever clean off, great! That`s when i got it re-welded and made longer, in the hope the kickstart wouldn`t hit it, it still does though. So i then had to get the electric start re-instated, and forget about the kickstart. I did get it modified as Al mentioned, but it started bending and still fouled the exhuast and brake lever, so i gave up on that.
The other great advantage of the sidewinder of course is bugger all ground clearance, so it makes right handers fun on the road! I`ve bottomed mine out a few times, you really do need to go very slowly round RH bends. Obviously it`s a drag pipe and wasn`t intended for any of this, so it`s our fault. Looks and sounds great though, especially without the baffle!
Did you buy it new or 2nd hand? How much did you pay out of interest? If you get fed up with it, i`ll take it off your hands as a spare.

AndyZ1R wrote: Obviously it`s a drag pipe and wasn`t intended for any of this, so it`s our fault.

Thats the point - it DRAGS

Andy,

Thanks for the pointers, im going to persevere with it for now. i can live without a kicker but just want a decent rear brake to haul the thing up a bit! i'll see how it goes with the r/handers once im in business. looking at something along these lines for the footrests...



mine is the 3rd ST that these pipes have graced, i'll keep you posted if i decide to sell. im determined for now tho

Redbeard wrote:Andy,

Thanks for the pointers, im going to persevere with it for now. i can live without a kicker but just want a decent rear brake to haul the thing up a bit! i'll see how it goes with the r/handers once im in business. looking at something along these lines for the footrests...



mine is the 3rd ST that these pipes have graced, i'll keep you posted if i decide to sell. im determined for now tho

That one looks great (apart from the seat) and shows it can be done without buying rearsets. If it`s the look you want then go for it. Good luck with it mate.

Pigford wrote:

AndyZ1R wrote: Obviously it`s a drag pipe and wasn`t intended for any of this, so it`s our fault.

Thats the point - it DRAGS

I didn`t think of it like that Piggy.

cant you cut and rework the lever so it comes over the foot rest .some of the USA police bike z900 are like this

ade, got another lever on its way, will look at that idea too mate, thanks.