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My Ultimate Zed
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- Zomerset Zed
- 100Club
- Posts: 239
- Joined: 30th May 2014
- Location: Somerset
- Zomerset Zed
- 100Club
- Posts: 239
- Joined: 30th May 2014
- Location: Somerset
- Zomerset Zed
- 100Club
- Posts: 239
- Joined: 30th May 2014
- Location: Somerset
- Zomerset Zed
- 100Club
- Posts: 239
- Joined: 30th May 2014
- Location: Somerset
- Zomerset Zed
- 100Club
- Posts: 239
- Joined: 30th May 2014
- Location: Somerset
Rear brake caliper mounted
Playing catch up with progress. Didn't realize it was so long since i did the last lot
I decided i wanted the matching caliper design for the radial mounted 05 R6 front units. The later R1 rear unit i had was a horrible sliding caliper single piston unit rather than an opposed twin piston. It was a bit of a trial and i am still not happy with it - more on this at a later date
Designed a hanger bracket and spacers using a rod end ally torque arm. It will do for now, but may fall victim of my rule with this bike, that if i'm not 100% happy with it, it doesn't get to stay on the bike
I decided i wanted the matching caliper design for the radial mounted 05 R6 front units. The later R1 rear unit i had was a horrible sliding caliper single piston unit rather than an opposed twin piston. It was a bit of a trial and i am still not happy with it - more on this at a later date
Designed a hanger bracket and spacers using a rod end ally torque arm. It will do for now, but may fall victim of my rule with this bike, that if i'm not 100% happy with it, it doesn't get to stay on the bike
- Zomerset Zed
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- Location: Somerset
Its on 2 wheels
Again playing catch up on the thread. This was state of play just before christmas:
Titanium bolts cut to length (not that easy to do neatly)
Titanium nuts and stainless washers...
Fat one! Decided to leave the top shock mount round bar intact rather than cutting out centre once i welded in. Should have much more strength too!
Decided to cut out the original rear brace here as i didn't want to sully the looks with a crappy peice of sheet-metal and i don't want the battery to be visible under the line of the side panels - i want clear space. That then rules out the keeping of the original inner mud guard. I will be making up my own inner splash guard and battery/electrical box. More on this later....
Cheapo Tech shocks were right length and look, but i will be using only for the build process as they are fabricated from cheese. I will replace with some bespoke units later to my spec. Probably go with Hyperpro
Good proportions i think....
R6 front end is going to look great with a painted front wheel and a minimalist 80's type endurance mud guard...
Have done more since, but progress is slow....
Titanium bolts cut to length (not that easy to do neatly)
Titanium nuts and stainless washers...
Fat one! Decided to leave the top shock mount round bar intact rather than cutting out centre once i welded in. Should have much more strength too!
Decided to cut out the original rear brace here as i didn't want to sully the looks with a crappy peice of sheet-metal and i don't want the battery to be visible under the line of the side panels - i want clear space. That then rules out the keeping of the original inner mud guard. I will be making up my own inner splash guard and battery/electrical box. More on this later....
Cheapo Tech shocks were right length and look, but i will be using only for the build process as they are fabricated from cheese. I will replace with some bespoke units later to my spec. Probably go with Hyperpro
Good proportions i think....
R6 front end is going to look great with a painted front wheel and a minimalist 80's type endurance mud guard...
Have done more since, but progress is slow....
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- Zomerset Zed
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- Joined: 30th May 2014
- Location: Somerset
Overdue update
I will try to update with progress over the next week or so:
Bars drilled for running wiring for handle bar switches
Individual wires will be in a sheath on final build
I designed a drill and tap jig to repair threads in the head for the exhaust studs:
and then using my 3D printer i have just built, printed the parts and gave it a go:
Seems to work
Bars drilled for running wiring for handle bar switches
Individual wires will be in a sheath on final build
I designed a drill and tap jig to repair threads in the head for the exhaust studs:
and then using my 3D printer i have just built, printed the parts and gave it a go:
Seems to work
- Ginger Bear
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- Joined: 16th Dec 2008
- Location: In the Dark.
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Outrigger bearing assembly
My original plan was to use an extended output shaft and a secondary support bearing inboard of the sprocket. The intention was to use standard sprockets (not offset) and retain the original and beautiful kawasaki cast ally sprocket cover. I had arrived at a design which would hide everything under the cover and look standard-ish, using a Faulk Stumm clutch cylinder.
I had a quote from the countries leading motorcycle gearbox manufacturer but when i came to placing the order they changed their minds and said that they couldn't do it
So, back to plan B, the more conventional offset sprocket and an outrigger plate:
Some details:
Using an externally mounted Oberon clutch cylinder from a Panigale
Has a mount hole to fix to the rear upper engine mount
Has a steel plate case saver in case the chain ever comes off
Gear change shaft is mounted in a sealed roller bearing
Note model above isn't complete yet and will also have a top cover wither in ally plate or carbon fibre.
First i had to procure a 1" offset 530 sprocket from BG in Florida:
I started with many iterations of cardboard to get the fit and look right:
I could not get the cardboard cut accurately enough and cardboard will deflect and deform, so the next step was to use my 3D printer. The printer bed is 200mm square so its not big enough to print in one piece, so i printed 3 pieces with a keyed design to get accurate positioning and then glued them together with epoxy:
I then went through several iterations of printed parts to get the final shape and fit i wanted:
I printed the bearing stub shaft, bearing and posts:
After a few more iterations of the design, i took the plunge and got the outrigger plate and bearing stub shaft CNC machined:
Then fitted it using some threaded bar as a trial, so i could then accurately measure the lengths of the required posts:
I then ordered the posts in electroless Nickel plated high tensile steel and fitted everything together:
Including plastic (for now) case saver:
I decided then to design and print the rear engine mounts:
Success! But still a few details to finalise before i am happy with everything
I had a quote from the countries leading motorcycle gearbox manufacturer but when i came to placing the order they changed their minds and said that they couldn't do it
So, back to plan B, the more conventional offset sprocket and an outrigger plate:
Some details:
Using an externally mounted Oberon clutch cylinder from a Panigale
Has a mount hole to fix to the rear upper engine mount
Has a steel plate case saver in case the chain ever comes off
Gear change shaft is mounted in a sealed roller bearing
Note model above isn't complete yet and will also have a top cover wither in ally plate or carbon fibre.
First i had to procure a 1" offset 530 sprocket from BG in Florida:
I started with many iterations of cardboard to get the fit and look right:
I could not get the cardboard cut accurately enough and cardboard will deflect and deform, so the next step was to use my 3D printer. The printer bed is 200mm square so its not big enough to print in one piece, so i printed 3 pieces with a keyed design to get accurate positioning and then glued them together with epoxy:
I then went through several iterations of printed parts to get the final shape and fit i wanted:
I printed the bearing stub shaft, bearing and posts:
After a few more iterations of the design, i took the plunge and got the outrigger plate and bearing stub shaft CNC machined:
Then fitted it using some threaded bar as a trial, so i could then accurately measure the lengths of the required posts:
I then ordered the posts in electroless Nickel plated high tensile steel and fitted everything together:
Including plastic (for now) case saver:
I decided then to design and print the rear engine mounts:
Success! But still a few details to finalise before i am happy with everything
- Ginger Bear
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The Piston Saga
I still required either a single Wiseco 73mm piston and liner or a complete new set of pistons and liners and this was starting to play on my mind a bit as there seemed to be nothing about that was reasonably priced (i'm tight). The alternative was to pay full retail for a complete new piston kit and liners.
Then on Ebay DK were selling a set of 73mm pistons and matching block. I called them and they said they didn't know what they were other than "big bore pistons and block". They said they were perfectly ok and useable and they looked fine in the listings photos. So i took a gamble and this is what i got:
Looks like someone has taken a hammer to the tops of the pistons creating a great combustion feature. The block was full of cracked fins as well, so back it went for a refund.
But no, they had another set and these were 75mm MTC pistons with block, which they wanted to do a straight swap for. So i checked and MTC only do 74mm and 76mm for Z1000, can you please remeasure? The answer was emphatically 75mm. So knowing they were either the 74mm or 76mm i told them to send. After much waiting and meeting couriers in dark alleys the swap was done, so with eager anticipation i opened up the box:
Not only were they 76mm, but they also had some special lightening holes drilled with extreme accuracy in the skirts front and back!! Double bonus!
So i asked for a refund (twice bitten). No reply.
After i contacted their "arbitration" guy with endless email threads as proof etc. i got a very unfriendly email saying "send them back"
So i sent them back at my expense then they eventually refunded me many weeks later except for the postage. So i then had to remind them of the distance selling act and they eventually refunded that too. This all took 4 months of pain and maintaining decorum at all times.
The happy ending is near and in the form of an NOS 73mm Wiseco piston kit which is immaculate and i got off a nice chap on Ebay for £300!!
I've now also got some liners from Eastwood racing in Kent at £240, so quite happy now i have a piston solution.
And the lesson is, dont use DK. They are a bunch of dishonest, shonky bastards!
Then on Ebay DK were selling a set of 73mm pistons and matching block. I called them and they said they didn't know what they were other than "big bore pistons and block". They said they were perfectly ok and useable and they looked fine in the listings photos. So i took a gamble and this is what i got:
Looks like someone has taken a hammer to the tops of the pistons creating a great combustion feature. The block was full of cracked fins as well, so back it went for a refund.
But no, they had another set and these were 75mm MTC pistons with block, which they wanted to do a straight swap for. So i checked and MTC only do 74mm and 76mm for Z1000, can you please remeasure? The answer was emphatically 75mm. So knowing they were either the 74mm or 76mm i told them to send. After much waiting and meeting couriers in dark alleys the swap was done, so with eager anticipation i opened up the box:
Not only were they 76mm, but they also had some special lightening holes drilled with extreme accuracy in the skirts front and back!! Double bonus!
So i asked for a refund (twice bitten). No reply.
After i contacted their "arbitration" guy with endless email threads as proof etc. i got a very unfriendly email saying "send them back"
So i sent them back at my expense then they eventually refunded me many weeks later except for the postage. So i then had to remind them of the distance selling act and they eventually refunded that too. This all took 4 months of pain and maintaining decorum at all times.
The happy ending is near and in the form of an NOS 73mm Wiseco piston kit which is immaculate and i got off a nice chap on Ebay for £300!!
I've now also got some liners from Eastwood racing in Kent at £240, so quite happy now i have a piston solution.
And the lesson is, dont use DK. They are a bunch of dishonest, shonky bastards!
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