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Restoring a z650 - first restoration and breaking the rules.

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Restoring a z650 - first restoration and breaking the rules.

#1 PostAuthor: mothra » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:33 pm

Hi guys, I've been watching the conversations on here for months and finally got an account activated, so I thought I'd fill you in on my restoration of a 78 z650. I'm not a purist, so hopefully I won't offend anyone, but I'm taking some cosmetic chances with my build.

To start off, I better explain what I had to start with. I have no mechanical skills whatsoever. I can check tire pressures and fill up with petrol/oil, and that is as far as I can go. I broke my back in January, and over six long weeks of being bed bound I formulated a plan to buy a bike in India and ride it home. As part of that plan, I decided I needed to be better mechanically, so I wanted to buy an old, cheap bike and use it to learn how these newfangled internal combustion engines work. I also needed it to be a bike I was excited about riding at the other end - I know if I tried to restore a Bantam I would lose interest in what looks suspiciously like a mechanised bicycle. So doing my research, I tracked forwards through timelines until I found the z series - first series of bikes that went fast and handled. Couldn't afford a z1, so z650 it was.

The bike I bought was a total shed.... everthing I took off in the first two weeks was broken or wrong. The previous owner complained about the handling - even with my lack of skills, it took two minutes for me to notice his piggyback marzocchis were fouling on the (non-standard) chainguard, which may well have contributed. Later I found that the engine bolts that go from one side of the chassis to the other had also been replaced with ordinary short bolts. It must have flopped it's way everywhere...

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It had been resprayed in some nasty metallic bergundy; badges were home made stickers; sidepods had holes of bolts (?); a slug was masquerading as a saddle, and there was rust and corrosion everywhere.

The first thing was the total stripdown - it didn't take long to get the bike broken down into parts, and more bits were written off during this process - the center stand was not pivoting on the bushes and had to be cut out - a friend applied 4 tonnes of pressure to the pivot to try to remove it before giving up on the grounds that if it did go it would probably kill someone as it tore across the workshop, so new stand was required. I also discovered that the pillion footrest brackets were almost rusted away as soon as I got the frame upside down... I paid a local specialist three times what I could get another frame for to fabricate new metal and weld it into place.... I could already tell my plan to just fix what was obviously broken was flying out the window as the bike took on a personality.

The bike is a c2, so it should really be plain metallic silver - I didn't think this is a great choice today, so I decided to stray from councours and picked out a z1 colour scheme (the Olive green/yellow scheme).... I asked a local company, Altamura in Camberley, to spray the body (including new side panels) in this colour scheme, but to modernise it slightly by moving the green more towards a British Racing Green type colour. They did a great job, digging out filled in badge recesses, and sealed the tank for longevity.

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The z650 tank seems to be a little more squat than the Z1 tank, and I was worred about the proportions of the paintwork, but these photos exaggerate the effect - it looks pretty good in place.

By now, I've probably upset everyone - not only am I putting a z1 colour shceme on a z650, but I've fiddled with it too! The thing is, I'm not interested in pretending to be a z1 - I'm doing the bike for myself and I want it to look how I want it to... I dont know what I'm doing in terms of resale value, but that's not why I'm doing it either.... Let me know what you think, but be gentle - I've got plenty more stuff to follow, god knows what you'll all think of the wheels... :-)
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#2 PostAuthor: tpr » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:42 pm

Mothra
As far as I'm concerned, if it gives you satisfaction you are doing the right thing. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" - the bodywork looks good...
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#3 PostAuthor: mothra » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:44 pm

Something I've completed was a cosmetic restoration of the clocks - initally I was planning to replace the chrome covers and just use them as is, but during the stripdown I noticed that the redline was pink/yellow. I'm sure everyone has this issue.... I found Chris Rivett's work on this forum, but I couldn't justify a full restoration, so initially I bought a redline restoration kit from 'whatever' on this forum. The stickers were great, and would have worked brilliantly, but a) I noticed oil marks and cracks in the faces and b) I lost the stickers. :oops: I ordered a new set of faces from beeezees (great service), and proceeded to snap off the tachometer spline while trying to remove the needle. While waiting for an ebay auction on a tacho to end, I did some research and discovered the 'two teaspoon' method of safely removing a needle. Once the new tacho turned up, I stripped both speedo and tacho, cleaned them up with brake cleaner, ran the other bits through the dishwasher, polished the glass with windowlene to within an inch of its life and sprayed the needle tip red while tidying up the clock light cover with black bumper paint. With new chrome shells on, it all looks absolutely brilliant - photos to follow when I get back from the US - but I think it sums up how something that should take two minutes (new chrome shells) can wind up taking weeks. In the end I paid out for new shells, new faces, red and black paint, but I still came in at less than half what a third party restoration would have cost - and more importantly I did it myself.... :D
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#4 PostAuthor: Pigford » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:47 pm

Mothra, great project.... :resp you're a brave man... well done :wink:

That paintwork sure is good...... best colour (color) there is :twisted:

Keep them photo's coming :P
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#5 PostAuthor: mothra » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:49 pm

Thanks tpr - I can't wait to get it back on the bike. Unfortunately, the body work has flipped my mentality from 'fix it' to 'every part that goes on that bike has to be perfect' - how can you put a lightly pitted/scratched petrol cap back on that tank??? :shock: I've got a huge box of stainless steel bolts ready for as the rebuild progresses.... but I'm having such fun, if I get the £600 I paid for the original bike (yes, I know I overpaid, it's a long story) and not a penny more, I'll still think it was cheap fun.... The wife worked it out the other day - 'When you finish this, you're going to want to do another one, aren't you?' :lol: Maybe thats where I'll get my z1 - but I'll keep the z650 at least until the second one is finished...
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#6 PostAuthor: mothra » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:51 pm

Thanks Pigford - I still cant decide wether I should have left it olive green, which I really like, but I do think the darker green looks brilliant... Wait till I explain what I did with the wheels...
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#7 PostAuthor: Davy Doherty » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:06 pm

Very interesting introduction! I think explaining how and why you are doing things is an excellent idea and will keep us interested in turn,There are some fantastic Zed builders on this site who are a great help when advice is needed, have a look at the pinboard or pic's in the meeting and events section and see what they have done, From what i've seen already i'll be watching this one well done..

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#8 PostAuthor: bunnysZ » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:15 pm

mothra,are the stripes on the tank painted or decals. can you pm details of the company that did it, as I have a set thats needs painting. also when you put the clocks back was there any damage to chrome rims, look forwqard to pics of them.
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#9 PostAuthor: kz900B1 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:26 pm

Hi Mothra,
Hello and welcome.Perhaps youre next project (phase 2) could be fitting a 1000J engine in as an upgrade. :wink: Debben showed a nice one back in June .
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#10 PostAuthor: mothra » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:27 pm

Bunnyz, the stripes are hand painted - it's really hard to describe, but the shine is so deep they are almost translucent and I'm sure you wouldn't get that with decals - they do a lot of race bikes/reps so they'll paint as much detail as you want. I found mixed reviews about Dream Machine (either really good, or really bad) but nothin negative about these guys... find them on http://www.altamura.co.uk/

Dave, thanks for the kind words - as I mentioned, I've been lurking for a while, and I'm blown away by the level of knowledge you all have, but also the level of generosity you display to people in trouble... I'm hoping I can help others out the way some of you have already helped me...

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#11 PostAuthor: RALPHARAMA » Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:53 pm

Mothra

I think what you are doing is soooo coool.

It's much easier for me as I have been playing with mechanical thangs all my life and did an apprenticeship in engineering when I left school (crap for a career - I really should have go to uni; but great for bike fettling)

My other half has just bought a Z650 in boxes and I am going to teach her how to restore it - I could do it for her; but I know how good she will feel at rallies and runs when people say nice things to her about her bike and she can tell them that she restored her own bike!

Enyoy your Zed and you'll get all the help you can want on here :lol: I've never seen a Z650 with Z1A colours good on ya, looks good.
CB intends to be using a variation on the Z1 Jaffa scheme, in black and red - her decision no influence form me, but it'll look great ... I think :lol:

Even if you don't have your bike ready in time, you'll be very welcome at the first Z1OC South West rally :D Come and meet some of the ladz :D
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#12 PostAuthor: shrekward » Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:30 am

Women restoring bikes? :shock:
Makes me feel even more inadequate when coming to such things :(
Well done to both of you for attempting this, I think it's a fantastic project!
WAY TO GO GUYS! :twisted:

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#13 PostAuthor: RALPHARAMA » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:13 am

shrekward wrote:Women restoring bikes? :shock:
Makes me feel even more inadequate when coming to such things :(
Well done to both of you for attempting this, I think it's a fantastic project!
WAY TO GO GUYS! :twisted:


You're never too old to learn Shreky - just make sure you've some one competent to hold your hand.

I'm always happy to help a novice - so it stands to reason that there must be some one up your way to hold your hand. Why don't you get a cheapo trially bike or a 250 or summat cheap in a bad way that you can have as your first project to learn the art of bike fettling - it really is soooo rewarding :D

First rule is don't buy cheapo tools - buy the very best you can afford. remember that a hundred quid spent on high quality tools will last forever - £100 spent in a bike shop lasts 3 hours tops and the guy spannering the bike is only doing it cos he has to pay his rent/mortgage. If you do it yourself you're doing it cos you want to make your bike perfect.

Second rule is never ever take short cuts.

Third rule is that if something wont undo as it should - STOP. Take stock, have a cup of tea and try and review the situation. Natural reaction his more strength must be required - this is when things round off, snap etc and then cost mucho wonga to fix :??

Fourth rule is buy a good quality torque wrench. Don't listen to the bollox I hear so often about how blokes can judge it fine with a spanner etc. Get a proper manufacturers workshop manual and follow torque settings religiously - er unless it's a Beemer but that's another story.

Have fun :D :D :D
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#14 PostAuthor: mothra » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:21 pm

Ralph, would love to come to the Z1OC meet, but just checked the diary and the inlaws are down - this wouldn't neccesarily be an issue, but I'm still on probation after last time they were here. Apparently when we agreed I could go out for a ride, we didn't mean nearly twelve hours.... :oops:

I'd agree about all of your rules - especially on the tools side of things. I've been amazed at how straighforward everything has been so far - you hit problems, but you think about it for a bit and then move forwards. Providing there's no time pressures I just kind of zone out and tick things off one at a time. And the great thing is it's mostly just twenty minutes here and thirty minutes there - everything breaks down into small, manageable jobs...

Can't wait to see the black and red paintscheme... :D

I'm home from the US tomorrow - will post more pictures....
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#15 PostAuthor: Buckle » Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:54 pm

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